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nuttjelly

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Re: THE BANANA RIVER
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2013, 02:45:17 PM »

Sure is easy to place the blame on fertilization run off. I'm not buying it. I can provide you a dozen, at the very minimum, golf course communities that have natural and thriving Eco systems. These developments are 20 plus years old. They include neighborhood retention ponds that feed into the major wetland or water body. Why aren't the alligators, and variety of freshwater fish turning up dead?
The problem is deeper and I hope the powers that be quickly get a handle on it.

I am not an advocate of fertilization companies. As a matter of fact, I know 96% of them suck, they start out great then fall off the map unless you stay on top of them. Furthermore, they have lobbied and have had laws passed to protect their industry in a variety of ways.
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2013, 08:39:48 PM »

Agree and concur that the problem is both "deeper" and more subtle,
however, there are 20+ years of strong data showing that
nitrogen and phosphorus are causing eutrophication of the Lagoon.

It's the same cycle that's wiped out Chesapeake Bay and a bunch of other estuaries,
over and over as the population along the estuary increases.
Nothing new.  Nothing startling.  It's just happening here, now. 

Fertilizer is only one (as previous) culprit and what I need to know
is "how do I communicate that"? 
I can show correlations and principle component analysis plots all day long,
but nobody's going to care. 
Seriously, how do we accomplish reduced fertilizer use? 
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2013, 07:33:47 AM »

Tom, I found your layperson-ease very well done.  Even a dolt like me could understand what you are saying.

As for your conundrum of getting the word out...I don't think your pockets are deep enough but if you made a bumper sticker that said "nitrogen and phosphorus are causing eutrophication of the Lagoon" I'd rock it!   ::evil
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2013, 08:58:20 PM »

Hmmmm. 
$25 for 10 custom bumper stickers on line.
Anybody recommend a local place?
Like to keep my $$ in the community when I can.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2013, 08:18:37 AM »

I can actually print them
:D

I have a large format printer in house

But if not that, there is a place called go signs up
In Canaveral that I used before
Good product, great price, tell them big rick sent cha

The guys name is mike
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2013, 07:44:26 AM »

Sure is easy to place the blame on fertilization run off. I'm not buying it. I can provide you a dozen, at the very minimum, golf course communities that have natural and thriving Eco systems.

Fertilizer is not the sole proprieter of the problems with the Lagoon. There are out-dated septic systems and stormwater systems that are part of the problem as well.
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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2013, 08:48:44 AM »

Sigh.  ::)

I'd post a link back to the previous page of this discussion,
but that might be rude and
although I can enjoy being annoying,
I truly hate to be rude. 
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Rick - Thanks!  I will try to look that place up. 
Can you print "real" bumper stickers that don't fade or wash out etc?
Some kind of outdoor quality ink or something? 
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2013, 11:32:54 AM »

Alright Mr. 9AM,
I am looking into organic fertilizers and I have found the following.
- slow release fertilizer which has 11% Nitorogen, 2% phosphorus, and 2% Potassium
- slow release weed n feed which has 20% Nitrogen, 0% phosphorus, and 6% Potassium which also includes Iron and weed control

Note that I live on a lake. I will not be fertilizing the backyard as it is predominantly dirt anyways...

Which is mo' betta??
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2013, 11:37:55 AM »

^Also note that I have noticed that the term 'organic' is used very loosely for fertilizers. Many 'organic' fertilizers contain pest control and weed control chemicals as well as heavy metals :uhm
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2013, 12:41:12 PM »

why not just go to the dump and pick up a load of compost?
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2013, 01:53:18 PM »

OK, I'm not a turf managment specialist although
I do get to fertilize and mow my yard and
I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.

Do you need the "weed" part of the weed and feed?
If not don't use it.  Use of unneeded pesticides is bad karma. 
Otherwise, the weed and feed has less phosphorus so it's a good choice.
Also the iron will make the grass greener.
 
How big is your yard?  You can probably divide the bag and get a couple of applications.
Just store it dry so it doesn't clump.

Apply at 1lb (or less) N per 1000ft^2.
Presuming a 1/4 acre lot (10,000ft^2) and maybe 5000ft^2 impervious (house and driveway, pool deck?),
that leaves 5000ft^2 of grass.  Just the front?  Maybe 2500ft^2?
That weed and feed is 20%N, buy a 25lb bag?, so 5lbs N /bag.
You should be able to get 2 applications out of the bag at 1lb/1000ft^2, or 4 at 0.5 lbs/1000ft^2.
You get the idea. 
Grass grows slow this time of year.  Don't reapply until spring at earliest. 

Ya, organic means different things to different people.
To an organic chemist, organochlorine based pesticides like DDT are organic. 
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2013, 01:54:14 PM »

Oh yeah, Thanks for thinking of it!
You get a free bumper sticker,
when I get around to ordering them.
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Re: THE BANANA RIVER
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2013, 02:16:36 PM »

like i said, hit up those people in canaveral
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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2013, 03:59:56 PM »

Thanks 9.

I don't need to 'weed' my yard. I have also noticed the effects of the 'weed' part of weed n feed is very limited. I still always had weeds after the application. Seemed like it only killed weeds with 'soft' leaves, if that makes any sense.

I was leaning towards the zero phosphorus fert but I didn't like the sound of the 'weed control' or iron content. I will see if I can find some organic fert with zero phosphorus and no weed/pest control.

Seems like Lowes' online has a much better selection than Home Depot does.
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2013, 06:26:02 PM »

Thanks 9.

I don't need to 'weed' my yard. I have also noticed the effects of the 'weed' part of weed n feed is very limited. I still always had weeds after the application. Seemed like it only killed weeds with 'soft' leaves, if that makes any sense.

I was leaning towards the zero phosphorus fert but I didn't like the sound of the 'weed control' or iron content. I will see if I can find some organic fert with zero phosphorus and no weed/pest control.

Seems like Lowes' online has a much better selection than Home Depot does.

Weed and feed is straight bs, the amount of atrazine in there is laughable. Walker if you can find Lesco very that is the best.
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