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so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« on: April 18, 2017, 12:56:43 PM »

sorry for the politics
we are about to get some fresh oil rigs off all our coasts!

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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 10:13:24 AM »

did you make a similar post when Obama did the same thing? :) js
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 09:26:28 AM »

i probably would have
in fact, i was pissed when he considered it

trust me, i'm not a fan of the notion of off
shore drilling and even if i like you, i will
definitely make myself heard on the topic

i've met several politicians and have called
them out face to face... darren soto, for
example, was one of the people that was in
talks with AB (budweiser) during the first
growler bill that was about to fuck over all
of the micro breweries and have them follow
the three tier system just to sell their beers
in their own tap room

we were at some gala event that momma dukes
was getting an award at and a bunch of people
were at this table when he arrived and i just
looked at him after introducing myself and asked
why he was in talks with AB and if he knew how
much he was about to screw over the whole entire
state and the craft beer industry and about ten
people did the gasp jaw drop thing.... well, he back
peddled and just decided to say, 'email me and we'll talk'

so yeah, obama was a bit of a puppet when he
was considering it.
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2017, 03:41:39 PM »

So, I think I need some education on this topic.  And I realize this is a polarizing topic so I proceed with all due respect.

Oil exists in the ground naturally, it is a natural source of energy.  Granted, the way we refine it for our consumption increases air pollutants but when compared to other industries I think the level of pollutants is comparable, not drastically more or less.

Most Americans drive oil consuming vehicles.  Even those who drive electric vehicles still consume oil in secondary and tertiary ways (delivery vehicles, public transportation, etc.)

The more supply we have of oil the less expensive it is for us to operate our vehicles and the less expensive it is for the goods we consume that are delivered by oil consuming vehicles, the less expensive public transportation is, etc.  I am of course assuming corporate greed is removed from the equation in those last 2 examples, which I realize is unlikely but for the sake of my post please humor me on that point.

So if oil, a natural resource can be harvested SAFELY (i.e.: low risk of spills) and RESPECTFULLY (i.e.: respect for native lands an ecosystems) it will provide jobs as well as reduce our cost of daily operation which everyone will feel in their pocket...is it really as much fo an issue as the media and oppositionists are making it out to be?
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2017, 08:38:05 AM »

I'm gonna get in trouble by going the CO2 route
(and of course, oversimplifying, generalizing, etc...)

All fossil fuel consumption moves carbon from the geologic cycle (time scale millions of years)
to the atmosphere (tens of years) and hence
to the biological cycle (hundreds of years).

Carbon as CO2 in the atmosphere acts as a planetary insulator,
retaining IR (heat) that would otherwise be radiated to space.

What happens with extra carbon in the biosphere is less well known
but the minor fall of pH in the ocean and its effect on creatures there is an indicator. 

Yes, we need (safe, responsible and probably inevitable) oil (or better yet, gas) right now,
but need to focus on using it to transition away from fossil fuels. 

One of the things we know we can do is put lots of carbon,
about 40B metric tons / year, in the atmosphere.

One of things we don't know how to do is get it back out. 

Use energy in whatever form
but use it to get away from moving more carbon to the atmosphere. 

We, as critters, tend to think in the biological cycle time scale,
but we, as people, need to expand beyond that myopia. 

And now Dr. 9, Get yourself OFF that soap BOX!!!
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2017, 09:43:19 AM »

bravo 9er
bravo
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 10:53:08 AM »

So Tom, any chance you could dumb that down a bit for me?  I went to UCF after all, not UF.  :)
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2017, 12:45:21 PM »

Oh please, dear Sir, a Gator?  Ouch.
I am but a humble alumnus of our Local University,
the Florida Institute of Technical Difficulty. 
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2017, 09:50:17 AM »

It's a rainy day:

We use about 143 billion gallons of gas / yr in the US.
If we added a dollar tax to each gallon, that would be $143B*.
Solar costs about $1M per mega Watt (MW) so
we could install about 143,000 MW / yr with that money.
That much solar (at 25% efficiency) would generate 313 million MW / hrs / yr.
Since we use about 3900 million MW / hrs / yr in the US,
it looks like we could supply most of our electric needs with solar in 12 years or so
by adding a buck to a gallon.

Caveat:  Back of the envelope calcs are fun (check the math!), YMMV!!!
And it's still raining and I should be at the beach running but it's still raining...
:P

*Note for scale, $143B/yr is about 20% of the Pentagon's budget.
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2017, 05:57:45 PM »

when he considered it

You think offshore oil production just stopped the last 8 years? It stopped briefly during the deep water horizon incident, then production resumed. You are just used to mainstream media covering for Obama at every turn the last 8 years. :)

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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2017, 07:05:57 PM »

The reason why any of us are talking about this is because of the dependency on oil, and I dont mean our cars, or power companies. The dollar is no longer backed by anything other than oil. As long as the petro dollar exists, big oil is not going anywhere. Its not just a partisan political thing, and its much deeper than an environmental issue I am afraid.
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 07:23:48 AM »

^correct, too much money
Oil "dependency" is based on the amount of "easy" money to be made,
and when I say easy, I mean that the oil itself cost nothing.
Property lease, extraction, transport, refining etc. all have costs;
but, the oil that we buy is essentially "free" for the taking.
And that's a very powerful incentive. 
Wouldn't you like to have something "free" to sell to a "dependent" market?
It's the ultimate business model.  It'll be around...
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Re: so trump is not just a douche but a giant puppet too
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 09:51:57 PM »

The "small grassroots" environmental movements were originally funded by religio-political organizations to slow down the US production of oil for many understand that the Middle East has about 10-20 more years of supply left and when that tap runs dry then the US will be the super power again.

Oh No there's a Chem-Trail over my house I gotta go put on my aluminum foil hat.
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